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Author : Zac Robinson - MMA Madness Writer
Date : 06-05-2008
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Lyoto Machida: Love Him Or Hate Him?

The Machida vs. Ortiz bout at UFC 84 has been more talked about than Oprah at a Beauty Salon. Now, it is in the not too distant past, emotions have cooled to the point where nobody is in danger of being seen on Cops, and we can all look at this thing without cussing as we mash our fingers into our keyboards...yeah right!

Very few are indifferent when it comes to Ortiz, he is either loved or hated. Machida though hasn't exactly been a beacon for controversy. Sure, his fight style has previously been questioned by a few of the self-appointed MMA experts, but after his bout with Ortiz, those "experts" grew exponentially.


Is this fair? He won the fight in convincing fashion, but many fans are frustrated, even furious. The most ridiculous compare him to Kalib Starnes, who did not attempt to engage Nathan Quarry at UFC 83. A few others are upset because he did not try to finish, and was content with simply out pointing Ortiz in route to a decision. And finally, there are some that just can't stomach his style. They call it boring, unworthy of gracing the Octagon.

Of course these are opinions; we're all entitled to them. Therefore, there are no Jedi mind tricks here, no effort to change minds, but to offer a certain perspective and then supply a few of those other things...facts.

What we witnessed in the UFC 84 bout was a complete fighter who executed a game plan to near perfection. Machida did not want to give Ortiz the opportunity to take the fight to the ground because Ortiz is bigger, stronger, and his prowess for beating people up on the canvas is well documented. So Machida moved, picked his spots, fired punches and kicks when he saw openings, worked to stay on his feet, and thoroughly frustrated Ortiz. No running whatsoever.

Many suggested that Machida did not look to end the fight, and while this may be true, he still attempted to engage when it made sense to do so. The opportunity to finish did not present itself, so he remained disciplined until late in round three when he landed the knee. Once Ortiz dropped, Machida pounced, worked to finish, and was almost submitted for his troubles. As a matter of fact his efforts to stop the fight at that moment might've been the only time he strayed from his plan and it almost cost him.

As for Machida being boring, again it is a matter of opinion. At the risk of making MMA fans stomachs more noxious than, well than...listening to gossip about Oprah at a beauty salon, Machida's style is akin to practitioners of high level Olympic style Tae kwon do (but he knows what to do on the ground). He does his best to hit the other guy without getting hit. He creates angles, uses feints, and offers an array of strikes. Some have a problem with this, others don't. Some say it is fun to watch because it requires great skill, like Barry Sanders slipping and sliding to evade tacklers. Others say it conjures up memories of the back-pedaling antics at UFC 83.

Now enough of the opinion regarding Machida's style, let's look at those facts. According to Fightmetric.com, in round one, Machida was 2 of 5 with head power shots, Ortiz was 0 of 13. Machida was 3 of 4 with body power shots while Ortiz did not attempt any. Machida landed 3 of 8 leg power shots, while Ortiz was 0 of 2. Overall for the round Machida connected on 23 of 34 strikes while Ortiz was 0 of 18.

Round two was more of the same: Machida was 5 of 6 with head power shots, Ortiz was 0 of 11. Machida was 1 of 1 with body power shots, Ortiz was 2 of 3. Machida connected on 3 of 3 leg power shots and Ortiz did not attempt any. In round two, Machida landed on 17 of 20 strikes while Ortiz was 6 of 19.

Round three was a much better round for Ortiz, that is, until the knockdown. Machida was 5 of 12 with head power shots while Ortiz was 2 of 5. Machida was 1 of 1 in body power shots while Ortiz was 9 of 9. Machida did not attempt any leg power shots while Ortiz was 2 of 2. Overall for round three Machida landed 27 of 37 strikes with most of them being jabs. Ortiz was 33 of 39 with 18 of 20 coming from head jab shots.

Thanks to the third round knockdown and subsequent attempt to finish by Machida, he landed quite a few more ground strikes as well, 26 of 33 to Ortiz's 16 of 16.

Due to Machida's continuous movement, it is easy to conclude that he didn't want to engage Ortiz a great deal, but the numbers seem to disagree. For the entire fight Machida was 67 of 91 for a connection percentage of 73.6. Ortiz was 39 of 76 for a connection percentage of 51.3.

When we dig a little deeper thought, things become insane. Through the first two rounds Ortiz was only able to hit Machida six times, while Lyoto landed 40 times. Almost half of Tito's punches came on the ground late and none of them were power shots. Speaking of power shots, Machida was 23 of 40 overall while Ortiz was 15 of 45!

As can be seen by the numbers above, Machida did what he needed to do to win convincingly. He threw more shots and almost as many power shots as Ortiz did. Tito was game and fought his hardest, but had a difficult time hitting Machida. While Machida may not be exactly what the sport of mixed martial arts was built on, it should not be held against "The Dragon." You can tell that to the girls at the beauty salon!



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nablur
393 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
Great article. I have new respect for him as a fighter. After all it's not boxing, it's MMA.

mu_shin
393 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
For anyone with any experience in the various martial arts competition sports, from point fighting to BJJ to full contact kickboxing to MMA, I can't see where there wouldn't be tremendous appreciation for Machida's style. No, he didn't stand toe to toe with a bigger, supposedly stronger guy and slug like a brainless brawler: he fought with skill, experience, technique, tenacity, and a well thought out game plan, coming up with a win against a former world champion. As in the Faber/Pulver fight, two well matched opponents will not always produce an opportunity for a knockout/submission finish. Machida is excellence in action. Props to Tito for showing up ready to rumble.

Zac Robinson
393 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
Appreciate the responses guys. To add to your last sentence Mu Shin...not only did Tito show up to fight, but he was actually respectful of Machida afterward (I mean once he had a few moments to consider). So maybe deep down Tito recognized as you so eloquently put it, that he fought excellence in action.

fatwood
393 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
I can not discount the skill of Machida at all. He had a game plan and worked it perfectly. But, I still think the style he used to defeat Tito was boring to watch. MMA and all other pro sports are not only for the athletes to showcase their talents, they are to entertain the audience. The athletes in any sport hat are known as the greats are those that have not only had the skills, but the excitement level too. That is what makes people want to watch. Curling is a sport that takes great skill, but has very little excitement, therefor it does not draw crowds of people or large sponsors and the competitors are not paid much if at all. Do you think anyone would know who Mike Tyson is if he pointed out every win. I really doubt it.

Using fightmetric stats in your article was a great way to make your point. It made me think that maybe I was too hard in my judgment of Machida while watching the fight and so I went and looked up other fights to compare the action.

When comparing the Tito vs Machida fight to others, it is pretty clear why I was bored. Here is what I see:

TITO VS MACHIDA - Tito 39/76, Machida 67/91 - for a fight total of 106/167

TITO VS FOREST - Tito 95/163, Forest 77/200 - for a total of 172/363
You can clearly see there was a lot more action in this fight and it was more exciting to watch. Tito landed and attempted just about as many strikes as both fights when matched with Machida. Yes Forest is willing to stand and trade strikes and yes he lost this fight. But I would still rather watch 100 fights like this and sit through another like Tito's fight with Machida.

Here are the stats from a couple of other fights listed by fightmetric. Note neither of these fights was one of those that had people talking about it being a "great war" or "fight of the year". They were just good, exciting fights. Also note that both of these had the wrestler vs striker match up.

HAMIL VS BISBING - Hamil 88/165, Bisbing 62/182 - for a total of 150/347.

SHERK VS NICK DIAZ - Sherk 80/203, Diaz 129/198 - for a total of 209/401.

I think these stats show, pretty clearly, why people thought Machida was boring in the fight. Not only did he not attempt very many strikes, but his style kept his opponent for attempting them too.

Zac Robinson
393 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
Fatwood, thanks for the response, very good and well thought out arguments.

In regard to Machida being exciting or not, it is a matter of opinion. Many people, including me, think he is exciting even without a high number of strikes thrown. He may not offer that "Oh my gosh is this going to be the devastating strike" excitement, but I think many find watching him pick apart another highly skilled man quite entertaining. To equate it to baseball, he is a Greg Maddox, not a Nolan Ryan (I’m a baseball fan too).

I really appreciate your counter with the fightmetric stats. Machida possesses an ability that not many fighters possess. He is able to hit and not get hit. Many guys can keep from getting hit, but in the process are unable to mount any offense. I see where you are coming from

Zac Robinson
393 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
post managed to get cut off...where you were coming from

Zac Robinson
393 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
(okay, cut off again) ...more strikes usually equal more excitement. But Machida seems to strive for quality over quantity. And what I mean by that is he throws when he knows he can land. I understand some may not consider this quality because these strikes aren’t always intended to end the fight, but based on Machida’s record they are effective.

In reviewing the fights you mentioned, it is interesting to note the overall percentage of strikes landed:

Ortiz landed 54.9 o Griffins 38.5
Hamill landed 53.3 o Bispings 34.1
Sherk landed 39.4 o Diaz’s 65.2

Machida landed 73.6f his strikes against Ortiz, a much higher connection percentage than everyone except for Diaz (who lost). I decided to look at a couple other fights to see if either combatant pushed this connection rate.

Tyson Griffin was 44 of 121 for a 36.4 onnection rate against Frank Edgar, who was 92 of 141, or 65.2à

In one of my favorite fights (and a favorite of many), Griffin vs. Guida, Griffin connected on 68.5r 87 of 127. Guida was 82 of 115 for 71.3àOf course this one had a lot of action on the ground, but maybe many thought it exciting not because of the number of strikes, but because of how often the men landed. When looking at total strikes thrown, 242, it is not even in the same ballpark as the fights you mentioned, but by most accounts was more exciting.

You gave recognition to Machida’s high skill level and I think that is what is most important. Whether he is boring or not is a matter of opinion and that’s the way it should be. My intent was to convey an appreciation for his unique skill and in the process make others consider, or reconsider. Thanks for the comments.

fatwood
393 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
Zac,

I can not tell you how refreshing it is to read an MMA article and discussion with someone that is obviously an intellectual as well as a true fan. Keep up the good work and I will keep on the look out for more from you in the future.

BTW...for me, the baseball reference kind of backs up my side as I think baseball is a great bore to watch as well and although I appreciate the skill, a pitcher's duel is like watching the grass grow for me. It is the differences among people and varying opinions that makes life so interesting though, isn't it.

Zac Robinson
393 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
Thanks Fatwood, I appreciate it. And you are right, differing opinions make life interesting.

MMA_RedCoat
389 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
Machida ran from Tito! He was scared to go toe to toe and make an exciting fight. He knows he would of got out boxed, beaten up, then had his back slammed out. Instead he was content to pot shot then retreat. I got mad respect for his camp but he is the most boring fighter I have ever watched. Only Sherk can rival his status as the most boring fighter in the UFC. I'm looking forward to the day he gets beaten up. I love to see his Karate style against THE AXE MURDERER, get his tater knocked off. I watch MMA because I love action! Machida fails to deliver in the action department.

BenjaminZeidler
388 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
Great discussion guys. I don't really have anything new to say -- just wanted you to know that I take note. Zac's newest article should be up early next week!

Zac Robinson
387 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
To each his own RedCoat, I don't think he would've gotten out boxed tho. I'd love to see Machida against somebody like Wanderlei. I'd love to see somebody capable of pushing Machida into a war to see what happens. So far though nobody has been able to do it.

MMA_RedCoat
387 days ago Flag as : spam / abuse / offensive
Agreed Zac Robinson. Im just a huge Tito fan so im kinda bias lol
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